Always a pleasure to read you.
Sid

Those marketers who just put out rubbish are destroying their own credibility, they will have to find new people faster than they lose the old ones. Which seems counter productive to me.

The picture is certainly not as simple as your scenario A and scenario B analogy just as there not just 2 camps of marketers good and bad. There are people who mean well but have totally been misguided or just not experienced enough. There are very good marketers with very good products but still fail their customers with poor support etc.

What about scenario C.
1. You create and launch a product
2. You make a sale
3. The customer looks at it, is impressed with what he
sees and uses it but hits a barrier because of a gap in his knowledge or abilities.
4. The customer asks for support and either gets none or gets an answer that doesn’t really bridge the problem.
5. He asks for support again and gets a similar answer or a different one but still hasn’t cracked his issue.
6. Now we have a problem because a lot of people get to this situation and assume its just them but in reality there are many people in the same boat. If they ask again the guru says “I’ve already answered that or even worse starts to ignore that customer.
7. The customer is frustrated and tries to get around the problem on their own but gets distracted away by another marketers new shiny thing which again promises to be easy.

Customer may still be impressed with the original marketer because at least he got him further than before so maybe if I buy the Guru’s newer bigger product I’ll finally make it.

Or he may just give up and ask for a refund. I have been in a similar position and know of many others too. Some people just buy and buy but are too timid or stubborn to ask for help.
Some people expect so much support that if you went round their house and did it all for them they would still want more.

Who is wrong here? Its difficult for either camp but there are millions of people out there buying multiple products over and over but still getting nowhere.

What an incredible waste on resources. Its difficult to sympathise with the successful guru making millions from thousands of people and charging towards the next milion without hesitation. But I know at least a few who really do care and want their clients to succeed.

Its easy to tag the 90+% as wasters who don’t take action, but is that really true?

Andy Beveridge

Always a pleasure to read you.
Sid

I totally agree with your comments that there are a lot of products, new launches and rehashes of stuff which didn’t work properly the first time through. And I DON’T believe that things don’t work because people don’t try them As a newbie, I tried to follow about three different so-called “step by step” systems, which weren’t. They assumed too much or missed out what turned out to be a crucial bit of info. This meant I believed the system would work if I just learnt a bit more. Nowadays I think mentoring is the only way to go.

My advice is don’t lose sleep over something you can’t control. Even people who say they care about their clients, often only pay lip service to it. If other people do it differently and worse than you do it just sets you out as different and better. Which you are. I thoroughly enjoyed the ACM. (I don’t believe it can be done in about four hours though… setting up the bookmarking alone took almost 3…).

Cheers.

I must say I agree with you…while I also agree in principle with Tony’s comment to the effect that ‘you can’t help people who don’t want to help themselves’ – I don’t, think this is the case with most newbies or most new MLM’rs.

The majority are seriously looking to augment their current income, replace an income from a job loss and/or make a go of working for themselves rather than continuing to rely on a JOB that offers little to no security in the long-term…

Whatever the case – few that jump in and try to figure this IM thing out have deep enough pockets to get sucked into every great salescopy that promises the earth yet delivers little of practical use.

For anyone who’s really up against it – they need simple, straight-forward, short term methods that will bring in enough cash to keep them afloat. Anyone who’s been in that situation knows how horrible that feeling of utter desperation truly is!

I don’t think there’s any question that a lot of the Gurus have a very slick system that convinces people that their products are must haves ‘in order to succeed online’.

This is neither true nor ethical in my opinion. Sadly, I don’t think the majority of well known marketers are staying up nights worrying about the success or failure of their customers…

I always remember Jay Abraham speaking about his Strategy of Pre-eminence. In his view he felt buyers should be considered ‘clients’ not ‘customers’ as clients by definition implies a deeper caring and concern. That shift would make a world of difference in the IM arena.

Nowadays – BEFORE – I BUY anything I make sure I a) really need it and b) even when I’m fairly certain that I do I visit the Warrior Forum and do a bit of research in the Reviews and Ratings section…you can guarantee that if a product or service is rubbish the warriors are all over it…definitely saves me a few dollars…

Anyway – just my .02 cents (as we say in Canada

Really enjoyed the ACM – learned more from you than I have in the last year from other products and services who’s creators shall remain nameless

Thanks Ben – refreshing to get a method to add to my arsenal that is clearly defined, usable and actually works!

Sorry – didn’t mean to ramble on but this particular topic is top of my list of rants. Seen, talked to and helped far too many hard-working, struggling, would be internet marketers to resist venting…don’t get me started on the continuity thing!!